This is kind of referencing a few different historical styles, but I might wear it to an SCA event. Without the grommets. And with a more period hairstyle. And some accessories. I admire how Grainger gave Lucrezia strength and showed more growth of the character. But at least these last ones are pretty. Subtle clothing style changes show time progressing. As historian Ada Palmer points out, each series takes a different point of view with Cesare — history is unclear about whether he was born before or after his brother Juan.
Faith and Fear makes Cesare the younger brother, while Showtime makes him the older brother, and this changes the family dynamic. Serious conversation with the object of your affection? Shirt optional. Cesare in Faith and Fear , getting full leather action. Wrap him up in leather or strip off his shirt, whatever it takes to draw in a coveted female demographic. Giulia Farnese in Borgia: Faith and Fear. Vannozza Catanei in Borgia: Faith and Fear.
How do you think they compare? And they also filmed season 3 in Croatia. But to spend 29 hours drooling over the dresses? Not exactly my cup of tea, sorry. FYI, your links are just ads, nothing else loaded. That was exactly my point: dresses are not that important for me.
Nonetheless you included in your review many remarks that have nothing to do with the outfits and their accuracy — at all. These remarks are totally subjective and express your personal opinion only. So I allowed myself to express MY personal opinion on two shows which happens to be different. Sorry you never figured that out! Very much agreed.
The showtime show is a hollow, empty comparison. Levels of accuracy where not yet as high level as it would lead you to believe. I got caught up in seeing those characters a certain way for three seasons and Borgia is another animal for several reasons.
It has a smaller budget actually because the Showtime version screwed them over, but I digress and various accents due to its international cast. BUT, something told me not to write it off.
I did my research and found out that what I suspected was true. The Borgias on Showtime was a glossy version that was missing a sense of historicity. It is thoroughly Americanized not an insult mind, just true , with an emphasis on rooting for a particular side and romance. Which means much of what made the Borgia family interesting enough for modern audiences is lost for the sake of plot.
Some of it is sexy, some of it is downright disgusting. The sensibilities are different, the characters are neither evil or good. All this to say that, had I taken the second series at face value, I would have missed out on a helluva experience. Someone can literally use all the same ingredients and make two different cakes that are delicious for different reasons. Maybe it would be nice if the series I prefer had gotten the acclaim and budget of the one I saw first.
But at the end of the day, as long as you make something you love, someone out there will see it. It gives a pretty gritty view of life in Italy during the Renaissance, and it also paints a different picture of practically all of the characters.
I did not like John Doman as the Pope—at all. Maybe it was because, as many others have pointed out, of his very out-of-place accent.
Or maybe I was comparing him to Jeremy Irons. I thought both just got in the way of everything else. Both series are primarily about Cesare, which is fine with me because he, in my opinion, is the most interesting character. Both actors are really good and really good looking, although Francois Arnaud is more likeable. But I guess she was only fourteen years old.
A couple of things I really liked about the Netflix show. First Alessandro Farnese. He had a tiny part on Showtime. On Netflix he was one of the main characters, and deservedly so since he went on to be a Pope himself.
The script was also far superior, although a bit wordy at times. The sets were less fancy, but felt more realistic, so you felt like you were in the time period, which is more unto me than a fancy, perfect set. The acting was good, too, better than the American version, I found. Parts of the show are funny. In season 1 of the Euro version, Cesare is like a tortured teenager, not sexy, etc. But his character development is much better, and he gets more attractive starting in season 2. Thanks for the blog.
Just finished all 38 episodes and loved every minute….. Thanks to all with such interesting input! However, the story and characters are completely different. I think the Showtime one is a bit wishy washy to be honest. The BBC one is more in keeping to what I had read about the family, whereas this later version I did not recognise much at all and was a tad disappointed.
Oliver Cotton makes a superb Cesare in my opinion and well worth watching. Oh my. What an incoherent stream of consciousness here. D Have you even read the article you comment on? At least you could have googled how to write the name of Giulia Farnese properly…. Tastes may differ, surely. Because you know, any single episode of this series contains more true historical facts, characters and details than all 3 seasons of The Borgias put together.
Why do you waste hours of your life watching anything you cannot neither understand nor enjoy, and then make yourselves ridiculous by writing absurd and ignorant comments? Oh, please deliver me from this terrible oppressive marriage, help me Cesare. The two men duel, DUEL! Oh, you killed mu husband, you murdered him! Go be a nun you stupid woman, I am sick of your moaning! I do remember being frustrated by that subplot myself. It just felt very ahistorical, not the actions or reactions either a Renaissance man or a Renaissance woman would take or have in such a situation.
I had hoped they would make her more active and in control of her life. Loved the analysis. I am just finishing up the first season of Borgias: Faith and Fear. His performance is like an American Pope. Thats quite an assumption youve got there mate. I, for one, am certainly not american. I was reading the Wikipedia article on Carlo Gesualdo, and was reminded of the example you used here about Orsini killing his wife when he finds her in the arms of another man, and how this was considered a perfectly acceptable reaction by the mores of the time.
The court found him innocent of any crime. Within 4 years he had married again, this time the niece of the Duke of Ferrara. The accent was totally jarring, as was the delivery. I wanted to like it. I enjoyed knowing that there would be more of the historical characters featured. Sumana Harihareswara said:. But the key stories, and how history influences the characters and situations, ring true to me. I loved the in-depth descriptions you give here along with your personal reasoning, all well stated.
The idea that for all of our past, humans have been cordial and honorable and even sexually inactive but tender when it happens all seemed ludicrous to me so I for one prefer a more realistic telling of past events and lifestyles even if some depictions are too difficult for me to watch.
Thank you again for not just stating which is a bit more historically realistic of the two mentioned shows but also for fully explaining the reasoning behind your statements so that people cam clearly see which wpuld be better suited for their personal tastes, your writing is superb and I hope to read many more enlightening posts from you. As far as the negative comments some have made, a Queen using the floor as a toilet for example, it clearly shows those who respond with personal attacks or obvious outrage are just taking life too personally, who cares is a Queen or a President or whomever in the past relieved themselves in a hallway or their reasoning for doing so, it has no bearing on how good a leader someone was or what their country fought through to get where they are in the world, as we all know, most kingdoms and countries and leaders of all past generations have likely done if not historically proven horrific things to others including ,any of their own citizenship.
Sky Simone said:. The contrast in the 2 shows is massive. Not relevant to my compare, but a comment all the same, the cast of the Showtime version are much more attractive. Actors playing Cesare and Lucrezia are absolutely stunning. The guy playing Cesare in the Netflix version is hideous.. How are we to know which is more historically accurate? It seems a LOT of the teachings or writings on Lucrezia are based on rumors.. Was she sleeping with her father? Was she sleeping with her brother?
Showtime presents Lucrezia as an absolute whore, making out with her father, climbing into his bed, and having professed incestuous love for her brother Cesare. The foreign version has more detail and information about the election of this pope, whereas the Showtime version glossed over this and I thought it began with him already being pope?
So far in the foreign version there has been nothing of the noblelady that became a nun. Lucrezia has also expressed that she wants to be a nun.
Showtime he is a violent rapist, and she claims he never consumated the marriage to get an annulment. The netflix version he is a kind man who loves her, and his first wife died but he cannot get it up. I am trying to figure out if Cesare really had a son he sacrificed to get his dad elected, or if at least there were rumors that he did, or if it is totally made up by the show… anyone know?
Yet somehow, I find myself binging it. Leni said:. I really love this blog entry. The way you describe both series is entertaining as well as informative. I read this article a few years ago, and some of the comments about how to adapt history into something watchers can relate true was truly influencial for me. I would love to make this article available in my language.
Would it be ok for me to translate and publish your article for non profit of course with proper credits to you and a link to your website? Best regards, Kal. Click here to cancel reply. Search for: Search. Here are two sample scenes that demonstrate what I mean: Borgia: Faith and Fear, episode 1. Be shocked! Even Borgias. There are other age-heirarchy-related differences as well.
Not a safe seat. Brotherly resentment brewing in the Showtime version. But what about historical accuracy? See this real Renaissance portrait of a wealthy lady? And this is in the south, centuries later. The Showtime version of Lucrezia Borgia, her childlike innocence successfully communicated by this lovely pink gown, which she never would have worn because weak dyes are for the poor. Communication can be more important than accuracy. Both series show off their renditions of Old St.
Marius Gedminas said: AM. These posts are amazing! Please, never stop blogging. Lewis said: PM. Bob said: PM. Kat Slonaker said: PM. Rose said: AM. I agree! The Pope sounds like he is from Chicago. Paul Joldersma said: PM. I literally laughed out loud.
Devan said: PM. Ex Urbe said: AM. Victoria said: PM. Ex Urbe said: PM. Lisa A. Penree said: AM. Tem said: PM. Maynard Handley said: PM. Regarding the color of clothing, it seems there is scope here for an interesting article.
Laura Nix said: AM. Laura reply. True, dark black was indeed an expensive color. Jo Walton said: PM. Black only became cheap with anilene dyes post Ah, excellent.
Thanks for the much-needed date. We must inagine our nuns in reddish faded hand-me-down black much of the time. Grace Tiffany said: PM.
Angry said: PM. Dan said: AM. Allow me to summarize what you said: -I have credentials and am smart. Paul Joldersma said: AM. The truth can be a hurtful thing if you let it.
Kim said: PM. I do like your distinction between historicity and accuracy. Very nice write-up. I definitely appreciate this site. Keep writing! Micki Suzanne said: PM. Rock Munis said: AM. Jen said: AM. Erik Tiber said: AM. Nemo said: AM. Jen, Actually your earlier question got me thinking about writing an entry on exactly this quesiton, so your follow-up has helped me make up my mind.
JoeInCalifornia said: PM. David Naas said: PM. Hi Jen, Thanks for the link. Jen said: PM. Borgia: Season 1 Review said: PM. Having the 3-season-Borgia package on […] reply. Ilaria Coser said: PM. Henry said: AM. Adcock said: AM. Rennie Conrad said: PM. The Borgias was very entertaining with far better acting, dialogue and costumes.
I do hope there is a 4th season of The Borgias, because I would love to see it! Lizzie said: AM. Lyn Gray said: PM. I really enjoyed your blog. I too had to fight to sleep when I was first watching. The Tudors is vastly superior to The Borgias, but that just stands to reason, because it's vastly superior to most shows.
Both are worth your time, and both take major liberties with historical accuracy. How many Borgia series are there? How many seasons of Borgias are on Netflix? What happened to Borgia on Netflix?
One of Netflix's oldest Netflix Original series is currently showing to be leaving Netflix in November Not to be confused with The Borgias from Showtime, this foreign Netflix Original first appeared on the streaming service back in Does Netflix have the Borgias? Well, there will be a Borgias series available on Netflix soon.
How many seasons of Borgia Faith and fear are there? Will there be a 4th season of The Borgias?
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